Chinese people are more and more happy, maybe more happy than English, but we need more human rights. elections become more and more even many Chinese do not care about democracy. but the gov promote democracy because it can more or less prevent corruption

ELIC, beijing, china

west nations have the largest destruction to the world, but have the largest contribution to the world. you invent car, tv, computer and Internet. so we thank you, but you once invaded Africa, India and China, and Iraq(today) but Chinese will not punish west nations in the future if we are powerful

ELIC, beijing, china

100 years ago, west nations invaded China, which changed China to a good future rather than to a bad future. how will China answer our history? Not hate and punish West, But learn West science and democracy, and establish better democracy and invent more to express our thanks to West and the world

ELIC, beijing, china

China has not built real socialism, West has not built real democacy, the whole world is still in his rude age. human being should respect and understand each other.
human rights are enought in China---smile in Chinese people's face proves it
human rights are less in China---many painful stories

ELIC, beijing, china

CCP has many false policies not because of Socilism which comes from West, but because of little education of Chinese people and Chinese politicans, but because of feudal culture which sitll affects us. But CCP also love Chinese people and the whole world. so MAO gave many money to poorer countries

ELIC, beijing, china

ELIC, beijing, china

Yes but the winner in the 20th century murderious tyrant contest is your very own Chairman Mao whose policies killed more than Hitler or Stalin

Still I suppose he limited his atrocities to his own country, well apart from Tibet.

Mike, Nottm, UK

The word 'Chinese' does not mean only the Han Chinese. To claim Qing Dynasty is not a Chinese dynasty is just as ridiculous as to claim the royal Windsor family is not a British royal family, but a bunch of Germen.

Johnny, Westwood, USA

1 Who captured Black Africans to America? you western nations, not China 2 Who have killed millions of people in Iraq? you western nations, not China 3 Who caused two World Wars and killed lots of people? you westen nations, not China 4 Who brought out Hitler and Bush? you westen nations

ELIC, beijing, china

Edward, Bristol, UK

A good workman never blames his tools. Will the West blame the Dalai Lama? The cry over killing and torture is now replaced by the overwhelming dominance of materialism which threatened to wipe out the spiritual ideals of Buddhism.
So has China overdeveloped Tibet?
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Lim, Johor Bahru, Malaysia

Lim
Ah so we’d better all attend the Olympics and make it a great success then, otherwise the Tibetan monks will suffer if we don’t!.

That sort of behavior would only lower the Chinese gov. reputation even further & show that despite having made progress in some areas they are still vicious bullies

Mike, Nottm, UK

Freeman, milan
You are being biased and poorly judgemental. Unlike you I would first want to know the attendance of world leaders at the opening ceremony of the games and whether the games were successful or not b4 talking abt a crackdown. Who knows better other than the Chinese themselves.
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Lim, Johor Bahru, Malaysia

When addressing Parliament on China's human rights record earlier this yr, Dalai Lama never mentioned torture or murder. His criticism was focused on the overwhelming dominance of materialism which threatened to wipe out the spiritual ideals of Buddhism. DL is more creditable than the extremists.

Edward, Bristol, UK

Try arguing with a bully and you might end up with a broken nose. I wander where have all these malaysian comments originally generated from. We all know that when the games' over, there'll be hell for those monks and thousand miles apart from the press.

freeman, milan,

i am glad to everybody focues on China~
as a Chinese ，i want to say ：if you never been to China or Tibetan，please shut up.
in China ,everyone already for Olympics,if you don't like China please shui up.
we will give a warm welcome to anyone come.

chelsea, HONGKONG, china

Sonam, New York, USA - If China is run by a bunch of thugs then the US is the Don of all thugs. Look at the teflon dons you guys have been able to elect over the last eight years. Oh I forgot, these thugs don't do it to their ownpeople like the hinese thugs are supposed to; they just do it outside!

Glynn, kingston,

Tyler, seattle, united states- "im quietly hoping for a mass protest by chinese citizens during the Olympics,"

The only mass gathering by Chinese citizens you will see is when they demonstrate their support for the Govt, for the games or when China scores a goal, etc. And against western meddling

Lim, Johor Bahru, Malaysia

Paul Owen, Birmingham, UK

UK will be having the London Olympics in 2012. Will you be watching? Will you b saying it is bloodied too? You know UK has got Iraqi and Afghanistan blood on its hands.
I will be watching because it is a sporting event. After Beijing I will be waiting for London.

Lim, Johor Bahru, Malaysia

Lim, don't so ignorant! When it comes to you and your family there will be no one-- remember. China is a great country and Chinese people are great too. However China is ran by bunch of thugs who have nothing but suppress anyone who speak againt them. Remember what happened i Taiman Square.

Sonam, New York, USA

If monks who are supposed to be religious take part in politics and are ready to clash with the authorities, then in the event they are killed it is their own doing. It is a case of one not doing its duty and the other doing its duty. One cannot sympathise with the these monks.
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Lim , Johor Bahru, Malaysia

Either the Chinese authorities are ineffective in controlling news or Jane Macartney is wonder news getter. One wonders how she can still get such a lengthy story despite the black out.
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Lim , Johor Bahru, Malaysia

to be honest - I feel that the Olympics are now tainted with the blood of Tibetans - I will not be watching the 'blood games' - and I doubt that many will be...

Paul Singh, London, UK

I fail to see how economic prosperity is being offered as justification for the oppression of the Tibetan people. Although Western society often over emphasise human rights, there is need to uphold it, particularly circumstances such as this.

Daniel, Woodstock, England

I am appalled by the vicious comments that seem to dominate when chineses people use this Forum- there is a minority inside Chine who also support Tibetans and are themselves persecuted. These Chinese might consider what happend to germany after the Fascist Olympics- a bloody, terrible war...

Annegret Schopp-O'Dwyer, London,

"It does not matter whether the cat is black or white, so long as it catches the mice, it is a good cat."

The Chinese govt has done a lot for China & its people. It has modernised China and brought China to great heights. Therefore it is a good Govenment. period. Go China, go Olympics.
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Lim , Johor Bahru, Malaysia

To the apologists of this despicable regime, it is difficult for Tibetans to respect laws which are imposed on them by force, over which they have no say and which Chinese leaders themselves ignore.

I hope the Chinese people enjoy their bloodied Olympics. I shall not be watching.

Paul Owen, Birmingham, UK

Why is everyone so sympathetic to Tibet, radical students in Tiananmen square, Muslims, unapproved Christians, Falun-Gung, Taiwan, and Darfur? These are malicious topics. Doesn't anyone realize the sacrifices atheletes and China has made to compete and host the Olympics? They can't be compared.

Calvin Hobbes, Yahoo, TX,

"the Beijing Olympics must not be disrupted by anyone."

The main reason the Beijing Olympics will be remember is BECAUSE it has highlighted how authoritarian the Chinese government is especially in respect to Tibet and how EASILY naive nationalism can be stirred up within China.

Mike, Nottm, UK

Ran, you are misinformed.

The current flag of Tibet was created by the 13th Dalai Lama, who united flags of several provinces into it.
It is the emblem of the Central Tibetan Administration, now in India and is banned by the PRC.

The Snow Lion flag is the official representation of Tibet

Les Copeland, Los Angeles, USA

Ms.Jane Macartney you have just been evicted. Which part in Beijing are you reporting from now? How did you manage to find a place so quickly in Beijing in a China that is oppressive and lacking in humanity?
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Lim , Johor Bahru, Malaysia

S K Lin, There is a difference between law and order and occupying someone’s land and trying to wipe out its society. With all these pro Chinese posts from Malaysia my impression and attitude towards Malaysia is certainly changing and not for the better.

Lloyd, London,

Lim, China says its one of the oldest “civilizations” on earth yet you say they are catching up with the West. Are they just slow learners or are you suggesting there is a flaw in the plans they had in the past? The flaw is Marxist oppression of citizens, you think China or even you will ever get it

Lloyd, London,

WoCaoNiMa, maybe China should respect international law or it to should have its leaders go to jail. How about that? China is breaking in. laws on treatment of prisoners, pollution laws, counterfeit laws et al. So I agree lets put law breakers in prison.

Lloyd, London,

just as the presidential /Prime minister election in ur countries. As a common citizen, what is the key part of ur consideration? just who if selected can bring a better life to u

Laura, NJ,

JEAN, London, England

Are you asking for the impossible. The overseas Chinese had known poverty, hunger and hardship all along. Now they see great progress in their country which is gradually catching up with the West. They feel proud and definitely patriotic. You don't expect otherwise.
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Lim , Johor Bahru, Malaysia

To tyler, "..hoping for a mass protest ... "
I'm a Chinese, I can tell you if there is a protest by Chinese citizens, it will be a rally to support CCP, all of my friends say CCP was too soft on Tibet issue, the monks must respect the law, if they don't, the best place for them is the jail.

WoCaoNiMa, Beijing, China

There are unrests elsewhere in the world everyday, some do get killed when they come up against the authorities. China must maintain law & order within its borders and all Tibetans must not engage in activities contrary to the country's laws - the Beijing Olympics must not be disrupted by anyone.

S K Lin, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

Has anyone met someone who is excited about the 2008 Beijing Olympics? What a blot on the International Olympics Committee who were probably feted & rewarded by the Chinese to vote for Beijing. People the world over will long remember Chinese atrocities in Tibet, even now, more than the Olympics.

Andy, Washington, DC, USA

John and Ran, two elements in this flag are very Han-Chinese. (1) The 12 rays of the sun betrays an adaptation of the flag of Republic of China (1911~present). (2) The taiji sphere that the two white lions hold between them is undeniably taken from the ancient text Yi-Jing. But what is the point?

Edward, Bristol, UK

Ran, I'd be more surprised if you can give facts to back up your claim. The Tibetan flag is older than your "central government". Does CCP have a time machine? Is that how they re-write history? "Some Chinese army" is not historical fact. Do you mean the Qing rulers, when China was ruled by Manchus?

john , Bristol, UK

you wonder how anyone can support China having the olympic games..Chinese communist party hng your heads in shame and Chinese people lucky enough to live in the west ,just for once acknowledge that your government has no respect for human rights..

JEAN, London, England

im quietly hoping for a mass protest by chinese citizens during the Olympics, but i know if that happens it will tiananmen square all over again. god help anyone who tries to speak up during the games.

tyler, seattle, united states

Does everybody know where the alleged tibetan flag comes from? If I tell you it was first issued by the central government in Beijing and used in some chinese army many years ago, are you surprised?

Ran, York, UK

Perhaps there is no information because there is no news?

Once again the Guardian is boldly leading the way with misinformation about China.

Kevin J Davis

Kevin Davis, Blandford Forum, UK