lan,

I don't deny that there are disputation about if Yuan was a part of Chinese history. But it is clear that the Tibet was not a sovereign country under Ming and Qing dynasty, although it was highly self govened. ( You know Feudalism?) When Qing dynasty collapsed, Republic of China (not today PRC) was the only government of China, and they never gave up the dominion to Tibet. It was British (and Indian) incited 13th Dalai Lama to claim independence at that sensitive period of chinese nation and it didn't work. After the chinese civil war, PRC government established, which still own the dominion of Tibet! yes, today the polistics system in Tibet is not as before 1950s, but do you know, before 1960, Tibet was under serf system! Are you telling me we should keep it? PRC government gave position in government to 14th Dalai Lama, but he still left finally, under support from CIA.

B.W, Guangzhou, China

Please remember, like hans and mongolian, tibetan is also a part of Chinese nation. China is a multi-nation counrtry.

In fact, do you realize that most of the nation conflicts in the world are the "side-effect" of western cournties'colonialism. How can you still act as a judge in justice?

B.W, Guangzhou, China

Tibet surrendered to the Mongolian Yuan, China was conquered, perhaps Mongolia should claim China as its territory!

The Ming & Qing maintained their claim on Tibet but generally for all its history until the Chinese invasion Tibet in effect was a self govening state. When the last Chinese dynasty collapsed Tibet declared full independence.

The current situation where Tibet is govened repressivly directly from Beijing does not reflect the situation in Tibet before the Chinese occupation. To simply say Tibet has been part of China since the Yuan gives totally the wrong impression which the Chinese use to try and justify their occupation.

Ian, Mansfield, England

jean,

Let me give you some history lesson. Tibet was conquered by Yuan dynasty (middle of 1200s), which is established by old mongolian. After Yuan dynasty was casted down by Chinese, the following chinese governments inherited all the domain of Tibet (even the current area of Mongolia) and set local administration. The title which you are very familiar with, "Dalai Lama", was given by each chinese government. It was from 1800s to 1900s, when China was weak and invaded by Britain, French, US....colonizers! British started to encouraged Dalai Lama to split Tibet from China, because British wanted an "isolation area" between China and its colony, Indian. This is the "root" of all these fight.

14th Dalai Lama's exile was because PRC government abolished serfs system in Tibet, which was against the benefit of high level Lama.

At the year 602AD, yes, tibet was independent, but even Dalai Lama was not there, man. Most of the modern courties in the world were not established yet.

B.W, Guangzhou, China

why not talk to ordinary Tibetan and listen to what they say.
How sarcastic some said before 1950's Tibet is a peaceful land, people got slaved and tortured by minority group, people were living in extreme poor then. Orinary people send their sons to be larma because they did not want them to starve, your really think they are free to believe?
Why don't you check your own history and see what your "domestic country" did to China and other countries centuries ago or even nowadays, they are completely brutal crime. You think you are really smarter and more nobler than peolpe in other countries? Don't you realise your good living standard is build upon poverty and suffery of other continents for centuries?Plese open your eyes, look at today's Africa, most countries in Asia, South America, your brutal invading shadow is everywhere! Now you guys are talking about democracy, how ironic! How can you talk democracy to people who can hardly get themselves dressed, feeded or cured?

Neilace, shanghai,

why do you western hate us chinese so much?
When We were called Sick man of Asia, We were called The Peril.
　When We are billed to be the next Superpower, We are called The threat.
　　When We were closed our doors, You smuggled Drugs to Open Markets.
　　When We Embrace Freed Trade, You blame us for Taking away your jobs.
　　When We were falling apart, You marched in your troops and wanted
　　your fair share.
　　When We were putting the broken pieces together again, Free Tibet you
　　screamed, it was an invasion!
　　We Tried Communism, You hated us for being Communists
　　When We embrace Capitalism, You hate us for being Capitalist.
　　When We have a Billion People, you said we were destroying the planet.
　　When We retried limited our numbers, you said It was human
　　centers abuse.

marina, changchun, China

Tibet does not belong to China and was a kingdom since the year 602AD...before the 1940s no Chinese people lived there
It is because China is aware of its vast mineral wealths,now being stolen that it lays claim to Tibet and is flooding the country with Chinese and re-educating ,so called the native Tibetans..Long live freedom and its time the chinese who have escaped abroad stopped speaking as if they were still brainwashed,but maybe they are! Perhaps they would like to return and live under communist rule.

Jean Matthews, London, England

The younger Tibetans want to do something dramatic to change the limbo they are in, and do not exclude the method of violence. But the older ones, especially, the Dalai Lama, are the believers of non-violence. I hope nobody will get hurt.

Michelle Rose, Norwich, Norfolk

Lets see...truncheon wielding police? check. Steel barriers? check. Massive military and police mobilization? check. Okay, we're ready for the torch. Due to ongoing security concerns, you won't actually get to see it, but trust us, it's all about peace. Smile everybody.

ingo baker, los angeles, california, usa

There is a massive security lockdown going on in Delhi to force the Olympic Torch through. I hope everyone is enjoying their taste of the CCP so far. There is much more to come.

Colin , Carmarthen, UK

Having read many blogs - and tried to have a moderate discussion with ethnic Chinese at home and in abroad - I am very pessimistic, not only for Tibet but for China as well.

China looks as if it is about to enter a new dark age. Read some of the posts and you will be variously saddened, enraged, baffled, amused and finally bored.

Yip, it's the same old same old: brainwashing Chinese Communist Party style. The one variation is that many ethnic Chinese now holding foreign citizenship openly speak of China as 'home' - a common and worrying trend.

Criticism of 'The West' is trendy again (nfantile but trendy).

I for one have given up trying to reason with them. If they want to believe in Chinese Communist Party rhetoric and fairy tails then there is nothing that you can say.

I believe that a very, very tough response is now needed with this regime.

I don't even know why anyone bothers having anything to do with this farce of the Torch Relay. It is a grotesque sham.

joe, Berwickshire, Scotland

I wish the bbc iplayer would work in china, as there is a wounderfull documenty on it on the history of tibet showing how tibet used to be before the chinese took over. Tibet was free and peacefull and then china stoppent on it.

With real footage shot in tibet some 60 year's ago one can see whate tibet was like before the chinese got involved. To all the chinese people who come on the times, i would ask your self's this why is that the people off tibet want nothing to do with you what did you do to them?

Why did they have to flee to india?

If you want to know the truth go to saurces out side of your own state, as they will only tell you what china wants you to know, not the truth.

Mr W Jones, Liverpool, England.

Yet another massive security operation, this time in Delhi, to get the Olympic Torch through. It has become very clear that the protests are directed at the Chinese Communist Party, not the Chinese People. The CCP has been hiding behind the Chinese People for many years but that deceit is now fully revealed. Free China and Free Tibet.

Colin , Carmarthen, UK

What the Tibetan protesters had done is really
awful!How much do they really know about their
own homeland and their country---China?I dare say,they don't know much about the histry of the
Tibet and China!Tibet and China had being a family since the Tang Dynasty sent a princess to
be the wife of the king of the Tibet .And in the Yuan Dynasty,the Tibet then became a special province of China.The "one --family"relationship
han been more obvious and firm in the Ming and
Qing Dynasty !Espcially during the QianLong years,the authority went to Beijing to celebrate
the emperor's birthday!All this can be seen in the Tibet's history literiture!
You can hate the Communism,and you can hate people from the HanZu,but you shouldn't deny that you are Chinese .We are a family after
all!You Tibetan and we Han-people just like brothers from a family,conflicts between brothers
is inevitable,that's not a problem,because wecan
find a way.But our mother is inocent.Please!

Brothers, Harbin, China

I understand fully the frustrations ofthe Tibetan Youth Congress, but by permitting violence they ae handing a victory toChina which will then claim tat the Dalai Lama is secretly prone to violence, not the peace he preaches.If only china wuld agree to sit down and talk with him the heat cold go out of the situation tommorrow, but we know how shallow chinese are about "losing face" after years of Communism they lack the spiritual depth of the bhuddists. Keep it peacefull please

gerry grehan, Brisbane, Australia

Tibet is part of China hunders years ago, the history is even looger than the history of America.

Our life are fine in Lahsa before March, but now, people fighting each others outside, even they were borthers and sisters.

I don't know How many western countries want China be seperated. I don't know why some people like watching Chinese people killing each others by themselves.

liukang, Lahsa, China

The Olympic games is not sacred, as one Indian official said on BBC, nor is it a symbol of peace. It is all about money and politics. Only idiots and conment will say otherwise.

Sacha. S, Paris,

They say theyre non violent and then they say they reserve the right to use violence. Right. Maybe they should remember how it was there people who started it in the first place

David, Weymouth, Dorset