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Strangely enough, Daniel's wedding day didn't upset me at all. It was his 30th birthday six months later which really got to me, as he stood there with his wife Alison while they greeted the guests. I can honestly say that that was the only time when I felt real envy and wished desperately that it was me standing beside him, arms round each other as we showed the world how much we loved each other.
It's not as if I'm not allowed to love Daniel, but the way we feel about each other isn't something that we can share easily with anyone else. Daniel is my brother, but since I was 14 we've had a sexual relationship - and that's not something that many people would feel comfortable with.
I've only ever spoken about this once before, and even then it was very much in the abstract. While I was still at university a friend had a major misunderstanding with a relatively new boyfriend when one of his friends had reported back to him that he'd seen her hugging and kissing another man in the union bar. She was firstly annoyed at being questioned and became even more exasperated when she explained that the man in question was her brother, as her boyfriend refused to believe her. Their loud discussion took place in the union with an interested audience, until he finally stamped out in fury, still refusing to believe her. As she flounced back to join us she made a remark about preferring her brother to any other man, whereupon one of the crowd said “Yuck, how pervy!” As she sat down beside me she muttered something like “It's not that strange,” and three or four drinks later I quietly asked her what she'd meant.
Fuelled by drink or maybe just rage, she started talking in a very intense but hushed way about how close siblings could be, going on to say that she was sure that many people experimented sexually with them as they grew up and then simply grew out of it. She said it was like practising your social skills on your family and so long as it was mutual, she couldn't see the harm. I didn't say much - partly because I couldn't believe that I'd met someone who seemed to be like me - and she very quickly clammed up and moved over to talk to someone else and never brought up the subject again.
I think the only reason that I'm talking about it now is to emphasise that I truly believe that she was right - it doesn't happen to everyone but it happens to some, and I don't want to be made to feel guilty about it. Incest is so often spoken about in the same breath as abuse, but if you're close in age and equal in relationship terms then it's entirely different. Of course abuse happens, but it can happen in any sexual relationship and there's an expectation that a family member would never hurt you in the way that someone else could. There's no comparison between siblings close in age having sexual feelings and contact and an adult forcing a younger member of the family to do something they neither understand nor want to be involved in. I think incest is traditionally seen as bad, but in some cultures that isn't the case. When I was small I asked a Sunday school teacher if Adam and Eve's children married each other since they were the first people on earth. She just laughed and didn't reply. Having children with Daniel was never an issue and we were always careful about contraception.
All my memories of my relationship with Daniel are good. He's only a year older than me and we've always been close, especially since we always seemed to be full of nonsense compared with our older sister Jane. She's four years older than Daniel and very studious and focused, while he's bursting with fun and light-hearted enthusiasm. I've adored him for as long as I can remember and my parents were always delighted by our closeness when we were small. We shared friends and moved happily in the same social circles, so I could never understand girls who didn't get on with their brothers.
Things changed when I was 14. I had spent hours getting ready for my first Christmas dance when I knocked on Daniel's bedroom door. It's a dodgy age as you're trying to come to terms with your developing body and worry endlessly about how you look, so his wolf whistle was very welcome as he swept me into his arms and we pirouetted, laughing, around the room, before going downstairs to show off our finery to our parents and Jane.
Daniel's appreciation really helped my confidence and I was aware of him smiling approvingly as boy after boy asked me up to dance, though my greatest pleasure was when he claimed me for the last dance. We giggled home to gossip and hot chocolate with our parents and by the next day all the finery was discarded and life was back to normal.
On New Year's Eve Daniel went to a party and by the time he got home I was already asleep. I was extremely sleepy when he crept into my room and curled up on my bed, which was something we'd both done for years, especially if we wanted to share some snippet of gossip. When he started stroking my hair and face it was a surprise, but I could feel myself drifting pleasurably back to sleep as he caressed me gently. Then I became aware of his hand drifting lower and suddenly I was wide awake as he stroked my neck and started sliding his hand down my vest top. I wasn't scared but I was surprised as he started stroking me, though my overriding sensation was one of sheer pleasure. I instinctively lifted my mouth to his as he kissed me and then he hugged me very tightly and left.
I lay in complete confusion with my mind racing and my body totally turned on. All the sex education I'd had said that this was wrong, that it was abuse and incest. But it hadn't felt wrong and I certainly hadn't felt forced. Rather, I felt that Daniel had stopped long before I'd wanted him to. It was hours before I finally fell asleep but I was sure of two things - that I'd really enjoyed it and I still adored my brother.
The next morning it was clear that Daniel had a hangover but as he grinned up at me from his prone position on the couch there was no awkwardness or regret between us. We didn't discuss what had happened, but went for a long walk that afternoon with Jane and the dog and everything felt the same, down to Jane chiding us about being irresponsible about leaving our parents to do all the tidying up after new year's dinner.
Over the next few years we had sexual encounters every six months or so, each time going farther and farther until I was 17, when we had full sex for the first time. We both went out with other people and there was never any jealousy, although I found it hard to be physically intimate with anyone else. Part of that was because sex with Daniel was so amazing that I had no patience for all the fumbling that seemed to happen with other boys. The sex was never pre-planned, but just always seemed to happen when there was no chance of being discovered.
Every so often I would wonder what people would think if they found out, especially our parents, but it always felt so right and was so exciting that these concerns were never enough to stop me. Sometimes he initiated sex and sometimes I did, but in between times our relationship was as easy, relaxed and affectionate as ever, with the incredible passion of each encounter quietly banked away until the next time.
I missed Daniel when he went to university, but went to stay with him every three months or so. Sometimes we would have sex and at other times neither of us seemed interested. By the time he met Alison he was working and I was a student, and I knew that this relationship was different, but it still came as a shock when he told me he wanted to marry her. However, I was more shocked when he said: “You only have to say and I won't marry her, but then I want us to stay together and not see anyone else. We could be the old boring brother and sister who never got married, but ended up sharing a house because no one else would have them! I know this is meant to be wrong but I've never felt anything so right.” This echoed everything that I've thought about our incestuous relationship over the years. After hours of discussion we agreed that it was time to stop the sexual side of our relationship and also decided that telling anyone else was a bad idea, parting in tears afterwards.
I know Daniel loves Alison, but she's very wary of me. I'm pretty sure that she doesn't see me as a sexual threat, but she thinks of me as an emotional rival and I suppose she's right. It's not unusual - there are countless people dealing with all the emotions that result from partners becoming officially family.
I have wondered if there will ever come a time when I'll look back on my relationship with Daniel in disgust, but I don't think so. Everyone has relationships where the sexual element has ended but a great friendship remains, and that's as good a way as any of summing up what's happened with us. Daniel has a unique place in my affections, as I do with him, and that will never change.
As an academic I have a tendency to draw logical conclusions. I like to see a pattern and resolution, so it does pain me that what appears so lovely and natural to me would be regarded as abhorrent by most people. It's not my subject, but I would be really interested to see a study on incest done on these terms, moving it away entirely from the concept of abuse. However, I simply cannot imagine that many people are happy to talk about it and I certainly wouldn't put my family through hell by being the first to go public.
Three months ago I met Derek and I think this is going to be a lasting relationship. The sex is certainly amazing and he's a warm and lovely man, so I have high hopes for this. The trouble with having someone like Daniel in your life is that it leaves you with very high expectations, but it's hard knowing that the one person you love above everything is out of bounds. Perhaps worst of all is the fact that you can't tell anyone, as his or her disgust would ruin everything.
Names have been changed. As told to Joan McFadden
I fancy my 2nd cousin twice removed but your brother is just soooooo wrong!!!!! Good reading though
Mike, Inverness, scotland
This is disgusting. I have never read such a horrible revolting account. This is where the world is going and people are not even seeing it for the perverseness of what it really is.
Daniel, Washington DC,
in a million years i could not havesex with my brother ,we get on fine i think ,i,tsbizare ,but the story was good reading
rosita, stannes , lancs
Hmmm. Academia. Incest. Justification.
No kidding. No wonder.
Evets, Bristol, UK
Incest between siblings is probably rarely as consequence-free as described, nor am I rushing out to participate. That said, it certainly doesn't seem to cause much harm here, nor does it affect me (or anyone else). So who cares?
Hey, I think I found that missing middle ground!
Lo, San Jose,
A man's body is programmed for sex. Does that give every male the God given right to jump on every female in sight? Nature programmes us all to respond to sexual arousal. But there have to be boundaries. Rules are meant to protect people from abusive scenarios which can happen in any home.
Gary Hudson , Leeds, UK
If this story is genuine and I assume that it is, then no one else has the right to be judgemental. If what these two people do together feels alright for them, then who are we to say otherwise. There are far too many people in the world laying down rules which they expect others to adhere to.
John, Exeter, UK
Hormones mean teenagers and even young children will not understand their bodies arousal and can associate this with pleasure. Because their bodies react in a way they're not emotionally mature enough to deal with. Civilised people do not act on every sexual impulse. Self restraint is necessary.
Richard Keighley , Worthing, United Kingdom
Incest is given such a taboo nature due to the number of reports of a father sexually abusing his daughter. People often accept incest as a taboo without question. Those who argue inbreeding cause birth defects never researched upon the subject matter thoroughly enough.
And comments ARE so short...
Steve, Ontario, USA
Sex between siblings is far more widespread than you might think. I have read several studies on the subject, and it would appear that it occurs in over 20% of families.
Vierotchka, Geneva, Switzerland
I have had similar experiences and it proves there are always exceptions to every rule in life.
Michael, Los Angeles, USA
While I may not want to excoriate the author of this article for her confessions, I will say that I am not cool with this, not at all.
Allan, Brooklyn, USA
The many comments and criticisms confirm the wisdom of keeping private matters private.
Many hypocrites are blind to their own failings and weaknesses.
This relationship, like abortions, is the business of the adult couple involved and their doctor's, only, no one else.
Ken.H, Harrow, UK
The author showed very clearly that she understands the social and emotional ramifications of her incestuous relationship. There's no need for anybody to condemn her of feel sorry for her.
Incestuos procreation is a biological taboo. However, incest itself is purely a social taboo. No harm done.
Tom, Seattle, USA
Incest between siblings is wrong and disgusting. This is not about their ages at the time, nor is it about religion. This article is not progressive - it is regressive!
Christians, esp Puritans, have taken things way too far, but there is a reason why their teachings spread after Rome/Greece.
Kris, Seattle, USA
This story is sick and I really find it difficult to believe. I think this person is an exhibitionist and likes the media attention.
Gilmartin, Bristol, England
What's with all teh coverage of this in the media lately - what next - fathers sleeping with under age daughters or sodomy with their sons - can't help getting the feeling that this is being "normalised" and one of these days no one will bat an eyelid about it. Scarey.
Jane , London, UK
Wonderful story, im glad people don't feel embarrassed coming into the open like this, truthfully my sister and I have hit it off for the past 10 years, we are one of those couples that she described
Paul, Truro,
I don't have any brothers or sisters. But I am close to my cousin and the idea of having any kind of sexual relationship with him is completely wrong to me. I won't condem them, but where would we draw the line if society extended sexual relationships to siblings? The world is sex-mad as it is
Rachael, Driffield, Yorkshire, England
A new word for this kind of uninteresting tripe - a "stringer" : the public exhibition of personal problems for the voyeuristic delectation of people who are not in possession either of a life or the usual sensitivities of human beings. Public hangings come to mind as an example.
Kevin Straw, Leicester,
Stuff like this usually sounds like it went out of control, more along the lines of attraction and emotion. At the age of 14, puberty kicks in and people start to get ideas (igniting curiosity) which makes people more prone to getting confused and mixed up. It's best to just move on to other people
Timo Arnaldo, Milpitas,
Of course the children of Adam and Eve had to sleep together to produce children. This will not happen if evolution is true. Yet another clear sign that it is NOT.
virginia, Brisbane, Australia
It always seems to us that if it feels good then it is good.
but it is human nature to justify everything when we feel want something.
i am not their judge.
Jesus said he who is without sin let him cast the first stone. he ultimately is the judge.
Andrew, Ny
andrew , farmingdale, usa
There's nothing technically wrong with incest (same-blood-sex). After all, we are all same blood at some degree. It might be worst for gens, but who truly knows? Society is the main focus of the issue, but the true problem is you being emotionally dependent on someone else for your hapiness.
Caue CMR, Sao Paulo, Brazil
Let's get things clear. a single sexual relationship between siblings does not cause genetic deformities to occur - repeated reproductive ones do. Relationships between siblings have been known throughout history -see ancient Egypt.
John, Knutsford, UK
Love is love. They're not hurting anyone - get over it.
Anastasia, High Wycombe, England
This is sickening.. I am a very open minded person I'm not religious but it makes me ill to think of siblings together it is wrong and i know she says we always use contaception but that isn't one hundred percent effective and its a very selfish person who would do that to their children.
Mary, Dublin, Ireland
i think its beautiful. Although i have brothers and i would never dream of doing such a thing with them, I feel that is a sad romantic story with all odd against it. I wish them all the best.
briance, bruges,
There has to be something seriously wrong with these siblings? All I can think after reading this is ew! Where is this world headed?? Sad. I am pretty opened minded...but C'mon!
Karen, San Diego,
When I was 10 years old I was pestered by men all the time. I am fed up of people living like they are literally enslaved to their sexual desires like predators. People are becoming animals - not human beings who can say no, or refuse to degrade theirselves. It's wrong and we need to draw a line.
Susan M., Liverpool , England
When the world found out about the horrific case of abuse in Austria recently, where a man imprisoned his daughter and raped her for 22 years, we also heard that their eldest daughter born, Kristin was seriously ill. Kristin's health was so appalling because she had been born from incest. Appalling.
Tim Drew , Whitby,
Gross! Why does sex have to pervade everything in today's world?
Its annoying. There are other things in life than sex. Geez.
Sarah, Seattle, USA
I think she makes sense, but only in terms of two consenting adults, which is partly what she is talking about. Emotionally abusive.......I don't think so as a great deal of relationships can affect a person's relationship with other. I know a guy and girl who were high school sweethearts and.....
Clint Wirth, scranton, USA
There are absolutely no studies which indicate that there are any more genetic problems with offspring of blood kin, than off spring of non blood kin.
Don't use junk science to prop up a moral and judgmental stance.
she doesn't seem mentally ill to me, and it's rather vicious to say she is.
Deldell, Spokane, USA
Although the writer says that the relationship with her brother did no harm, her words reveal that it has affected her relationship with her sister-in-law and also with her feelings towards the man she says she might marry. The emotional damage is obvious.
Michael, Sydney, Australia
What is wrong , is wrong. This shows a total lack of morals and scruples. It is a shame people take there perversions and try to justify and convince not only others but themselves what they are doing is acceptable. Now after several generations of carefull inbreeding , Just ask the Amish,
Lee , Clarion, USA
This young woman and her brother are seriously mentally ill. I hope they get the treatment they desperately need.
Kim Righetti, Upland, Calif. USA
I found out my husband had had a sexual relationship with his sister.
I couln't trust him, or tolerate what he had done.
A very long & bitter divorce ensured, & my children still suffer (though I've never told them what their father did). Thank God I only had boys...
Name withheld, surrey,
Let's at least dispel one myth first. The Bible never says Adam and Eve were the only two people on earth procreating. Just the first representatives of the human race. It also does not say that Cain and Abel were their only children. These are the only two mentioned, that's all.
Charles, Jackson, Tn., USA
personaly he sounds to great to give up
im not giving up my brother, not for anyone, they can think what they want, say what they want, i beleive love concures all, but maybe im still a child at heart, a dreamer, but even so i dont beleive anyone should give up dreaming or beleiving.
natas, salem,
The only experience ive had is sex with my high school teacher .I use to focus all my energy wanting to find out what it would be like until it really happened.She was attractively caring and assisting ,I still can never quite understand the phonemona,it was good though.
Neven, durban, South Africa
Don't really share the experience.
I believe I wouldn't consider it since it presents genetic problems if it results in pregnancy and because I couldn't feel attracted to a sibling in that way, but I believe none of us is in any position of judging it.
Jonathan, Buenos Aires, Argentina
I always wondered about adam and eve, their children and the whole story... if there were only two people to start, how did the rest of us get here?
Also - Didn't royalty used to breed with other family members to keep the bloodline?
God loves ALL of us... regardless of what you've been told!
Anna, Washington DC,
This is beautiful. I have a similar relationship with a close friend of mine, and it is also nothing more than a romantic sisterhood. Again, this was beautiful to see that someone else has a similar experience. :]
Helen, Redwood Springs, USA
One wonders how unusual this situation is. Why is it really wrong? They could live together anyway. Apparently,at times, in ancient Egypt , marriage between brothers and sisters was encouraged, plus it was regarded that this could strengthen the family hierarchy. Marrying cousins used to be taboo
B.Warren, Lymington , UK
for all you bible quoting christian fundamentalists here's one for you, "Judgment is Mine, sayith the Lord."
Korey, California, usa
I believe that English/American society has long felt the sting of Puritan influence. What the author had with her sibling was a beautiful relationship Very much practiced by nobility dating back to the early empires of western civilization. They both consented to have sexual intercourse.
Korey, Kilburn, uk
interesting point of view...i always thought about incest as abuse. however i still think that it's wrong and shouldn't be commended.
mae, singapore,
The problem here is the education system that separates kids as they're growing up. Research shows that kids who grow up and spend lots of time together, have an aversion to incestual behavior. The individual isolation of schools combines w/erosion of the moral code causes sordid cases like this.
Anna, philadelphia,
I am really freaked out at the relatively facile responses to the question of incest, particularily immediate family incest. There is a reason that its by and large unacceptable in most societies based consciously or unconsciously on genetic factors, social cohesion or protection of the vulnerable.
Terri, Cambridge,
Poppy, claiming that this will affect their children in some way is ridiculous. By that token, everyone raised by same-sex partners will turn out gay!
If they're happy with what they did, and no harm's done, who are we to judge?
Rooney
Rooney, Harlow, UK
Daisy, New York said "The kids are natural prey" because the father and aunt previously had sexual relations. What a load of rubbish. The siblings have broken off their sexual relationship and it's perfectly possibly for both to have decent marriages.
Jen, Marlborough,
Saying that it is up to them and it is their lives is all well and good but these two poeple are not indepedent of the world. Their actions will affect their children at the very least on a subconcious level. This irregular relationship will give rise to itself in some form in their children.unfair.
Poppy, Cheltenham,
At the age 15 I had such experiment (my sister is 5 years younger).
In contrast to the author, sex lead me and her being away, distant and farther from each other.
we couldn't have the feeling of union and closeness we once had.
After 18 year still it has shadowed our relationship.
fred, hamilton,
I reckon that the simple statistic that this article has generated HUNDREDS rather than the usual dozens of comments says that the author touched a national nerve. The watchword is consent and that it what separates sex with a sibling from abuse. Love, however expressed, is still love.
Trisha Shannon, Brighton, England
Me and my sister also had a similar relationship, this was initiated by her on various stages of our lives first as small children I must have been about 5 she and I would kiss, from 10-14 shed do things saying "I heard this turned guys on..does it?" She was 4 yrs older but I \enjoyed it very much
Gino, Dallas, TX
I'd just like to add to my above comment that this goes on every were.
when i was at secondary school a classmate told me he and his sister had a relationship because he knew through his sister that i was with my sister but no one ever came up to me or my sister and told us it was wrong.
jon tate, canterbury ,
My thoughts wander to the parental teachings of morals and values. Are we merely seeing a repition of child abuse going on generation to generation? Does the fact it is misinterpreted as
a natural loving act take away the fact that they are siblings? Experimentation due to hormones doesn't belong
Growing Pains, Denver, USA
When I was younger, my brother and I kissed. I was 6 and he was 9. And he hadn't exactly forced me to do it but as we got older he had started touching me. All of it had felt different and because of it I have issues with people touching me or even being near me.
Chelsea, Minnesota, USA
Fools, you don't understand that this is a STORY, not experience.
Ashik, Dhaka , Bangladesh
This is normal, me and my sister flirted with each other in our teens but never had the privacy to consimate our relationship.
I still think that this would of been a good thing for both of us its just sociatys problem and untill sociaty reconises it it will still go on though not understood.
jon tate, canterbury , kent
Re: "They had a relationship, it's over, they're friends. Can anyone actually name a single bad outcome of the situation? "
I can. When her brother and his wife have children, their father will have had incestuous relations w/their aunt, as will have the aunt w/the father. The kids are natural prey
Daisy, New York, USA
It happened to me once, were both adults at the time. With only 18 months between us, sharing the same emotions and same experiences within the family. This makes two people very close. I believe it is more to do with comfort and familiarity that we need at the time. Dont feel guilty. Jill UK
Jill, Daventry, United Kingdom
I think what they had was beautiful. They relationship was tender and loving. He loved her so and even asked her if she did not want him to marry all she had to do was say so. It was right for them to stop their sexual relationship. If it had not she would have become his wife and become pregnant.
mike, new york, usa
A lot of the comments here heave been as to whether the girl was or was not "consenting" as she was 14. The age of consent (16 in the UK) is a legality, with no respect for individuals actual development. What is the real difference between a 15 year old a 16 year old ?
Natalie, Colchester, United Kingdom
True or false. Does it matter? This story is about forbiden love. Have you ever loved someone so much you hurt for them on a daily basis? I have, and if i found out that he was my brother later it would not have changed a thing. Soul mates. Love has no bounderies, love does not judge.
amanda clark, canton, US
Those who say it is wrong - who are you to judge? Are you sure that you are 'whiter than white'?
And for those who say it is deceitful and a lie - have you told your partner about every previous sexual encounter you may have had? I certainly haven't. Everyone has things they keep to themselves...
Jenny, Redhill, UK
Here in the States this is known as "The'Deliverence' Syndrome ".
daryl, Dallas, U.S.A.
They had a relationship, it's over, they're friends. Can anyone actually name a single bad outcome of the situation?
Emily, Bristol,
re: Jane the anthropologist from London. There is not a universal taboo against incest across all of history. Just look at sister-brother marriage in Roman Egypt for many instances of lawful incest without a hint of a taboo being broken.
Hannah, London,
Jen, Grenoble, France
I dont really have much of an opinion on this to be honest - but to say incest causes disease is somewhat far fetched- i can only assume you are reffering to genetic problems in offspring of incestuous couples???
Rebecca, London,
I don't agree with what this woman and her brother did, but for those hurling their religious mud at her, "judge not, lest..." I'm sure you know the rest.
Mike, Bristol, UK,
Here in Australia we only recently read in our newspapers of a father who lives with his daughter as husband and wife. There was similar coverage and comments as have been made in this blog, then it was all over...a 'nine day wonder'. But we had photos of the couple so it was not fake!
John, Woollahra, Australia
Why are commenters referring to the Bible? The author does not say she's Christian, so why is the Bible relevant to her choices? Using your religious views to judge others, and a moral superiority complex, is what creates the REAL problems in our world - probably more so than these two having sex!
Clare, New York City, USA
I confess that for me incest is unthinkable. And I didn't know that it was also spread. It is not the moral point of view, wich bother me but the biological character of the thing. I've always believed that incest can cause diseases...
Jen, Grenoble, France
So many opinions! If this is wrong, then according to WHAT criteria? If it is ok, then again according to WHAT criteria?
Who set the rules? I think in ALL societies (except some parts of the USA) incest is illegal. BUT, in most parts of the world, including UK, incest is defined as bro/sis etc.
marshal, cambs, uk
I my case i experiment in early age with cousins, we do a lot of "nasty" things.And l also experimented with girl,who was for me like sister, we started slowly discovering our bodies and end up with sex. It was quite interesting, i think of it in good. We heven´t planed sx, but if it was opportuniti
roman, brno,
i think it is nasty but i cant judge you for what you did it you and i cant put myself in your shoes because i cant see myself doing anything like dat, but i wont look at you any different either because it'z not my place and people just have a different way of love, life, and responsabilities.
keyana, brooklyn new york, united states
Well, my brother and I "experimented" when I was 13 and he was 14, at his suggestion; it went on for three years. Now I despise him; it turned out he tried the same "loving thing" with his older sister, who rarely speaks to him. Our parents just don't understand why we aren't closer to him...
Rita Richardson, Los Angeles, USA
if no harm is done, where's the problem?
on the other hand, post-freud its hard not to anticipate incestuous relationships leading to later psychological issues... but what did freud know? its not something i would personally wish for myself or my sister, but to each their own.
who really cares?
bob, mcr, uk
What I find incredible is that they had sex only once ever six months. This sounds unbelievable, yet it suggest more than a physical nature to the relationship. Either he is a genius predator
<br/>or it was something special written little about.
Jack, Tulsa, USA
"Flowers in the Attic" anyone?
h, Cincinnati, United States
What is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil - Friedrich Nietzsche
But on the whole the article is relatively boring.
AKULA, london, UK
Is this a true story? It reads like Arundhati Roy's "The God of Small Things", set in Kerala, India. In the novel, the siblings are twins. I enjoyed the novel immensely even though the incest made me sick, having a twin brother, myself. As close as we were, we just weren't close enough to go there.
kaz, hong kong,
Glad to hear of the care over contraception given the risk of harmful double recessive gene expression. This probably underlies our instinctive distaste. Such feelings generally have a sound biological basis. I would extend the legal ban to 1st cousins.
Paul, Loughborough, UK
What is good or not isn't determined by what feels "right". If you call a "healthy" relationship one that never explicitly/openly talked about their sexual relations, then I'm not sure that it is. One should be wary of someone's judgment if she defines her relationships with others mostly by sex.
York, New York,
...It is only through airing experiences such as this that any progress in society can be made. 100 years ago it would have been an article on homosexuality..."
Fred, Bristol.
Surely this would be a step backwards Fred?
Dave, swansea, Wales
Some of the comments on this article are laughable. The opinions seem to veer between "look how morally progressive I can be" fawning over how 'touching' it is that this woman has seen fit to make public her story and 'your soul will burn' from Hicksville, Kentucky, USA. Middle ground please?
Doddsby, Hampshire, United Kingdom
Where does one draw the line? Can a father and daughter have a sexual relationship? Or a mother and son? What about a Grandparent and Grandchild? If justified in the same way, does that mean it's okay? I think not.
We need taboos in our society. Otherwise we get chaos.
Vincent Ward, London, England
I'm unable 2 fully open my heart 2 anyone as nobody can fill my 1st cousin's shoes. I'm in love with her and always will be. We are both married (kids)so we no longer sleep with each other. Our family knows and is disgusted. We are so lost in love but want no more pain to family I want h in my lif
rdeonne_e, sf, usa
My sister is 2 years younger than I. When teens, she would often lie beside me on the sofa and and stroke my foot with hers. It never went beyond that, but I can understand that when young it is difficult to feel as close to someone else who you haven't grown up with. These guys didn't see the line.
Pete, NI,
I dislike the idea of two siblings having sexual encounters at the age of 14 and 15. But two non-siblings I would see as acceptable - kids experiment after all. I was 11 when I first experimented, it was with another boy and I am now gay. Do I see incest as unnatural? It's not my cup of tea, but no.
Angel, Coventry, England
Try reading "The Holy Sinner" by Thomas Mann.
Neil, Galloway, Scotland
Amazing that people think contraception is 100%. If she had gotten pregnant the story wouldn't have been so peachy. Of course she could have aborted/killed their "love" child. No harm there right? 10 - 1, if the story is real, they do end up with each other when their relationships with others fail.
Allan, Loveland, USA
i'm so glad i'm an only child. i mean no disrepect to anyone, i believe experimenting is natural for children but i don't know about after say... 12. this made me a little sick.
jeslee, amherst,
To those who keep saying "but they're consenting adults, what's the problem?", they weren't "consenting adults" when they started this relationship. They were 14 and 15, ages when hormones rule over intellect. Would you be okay with YOUR kids having sex with *anyone* at that age?
Jina, Colorado Springs,
I experimented with my brother's privates when I was a little girl. I even had a brief sexual encounter with my cousin when I was 7 years old. My cousin was 10 years old at the time. I can still remember the pain and blood. I am now in my 20's and totally normal. I used to worry about having kids.
Heather, dallas, texas
This used to be the norm, look at the ancient Greeks and Romans - nothing new.....
Swiss Reader, Schindellegi, Switzerland
my bro did the same to me gowing up til i was 14 yrs old. I was too young to remember how it started and exactly when. I know it was about 4 yrs old. I know how it feels. We are still close like it never happend. Now 25 yrs later, its like it was a dream and never happend.
jenny, willmar,
having offspring with siblings is wrong because your children would have a high chance of genetic diseases, but as long as you use protection and it's a mutual decision, who exactly is hurting from it? two people enjoying themselves, just like in any sexual relationship.
John, London,
The truth from my own experience of a relationship with a woman who had experienced many predatory sexual encounters with older members of her family is this. It destroyed her mentally and physically, they did not take no for an answer. how loving would that be,u cant say no and cant get away.
Lee, reading, england
These kind of moral oversights are becoming more accepted in the U.S. as a norm. If you have sex in our public
parks , streets and bathrooms and openly advocate for child sex our government will act quick to protect your rights and do everything they can to have you licensed as a psychiatrist.
Richard, Lexington - Ky, USA
I wonder what the origins of this taboo is? Is it that our forefathers realised the issue of genetic defects associated with incest?
There are communities where the best arranged marriages are considered to be those between the niece and the maternal uncle.
Shreela, New Delhi,
I wonder...how many of the people here that have commented on this article being "brilliant" or "progressive" have actually abused a sibling and are using this as a way to excuse their wrongs? Just a thought. Also, religion has everything to do with it. Our bodies were a gift from God. Use wisely.
S, LV, NV,
I am having a hard time wrapping my mind around this . I have a brother who is smart, handsome and funny, but I''m repulsed at the thought of making love to him. . I'm not bound or brainwashed by any religion and I believe in freedom of choice. It will be a long way off , if ever, when society
marla calandro, nEW yORK cITY,
Though I myself cannot wrap my head around something I like this, I wish people would stop condemning this woman. You have never been in her shoes, most of us don't know what this is like. Until you can fully understand, don't rush to condemn. You cannot help how you feel.
Harlie, Madison, USA
Sorry, but that is just WRONG! Incest is incest and That is definitely incest. I don't know what else to say.
sam, Belper,
Well, this is quite a situation. While I do not condone or practice incest in any way, I can not agree that the brother was a sexual predator taking advantage of his younger sister. They are only one year apart. They made the wrong choice in selecting each other as sexual partners.
Thomas, TX, USA
This article does instantly make me feel a little repulsed, but repulsion alone is no reason to condemn anyone. There may be arguments on the basis of medical grounds, family unity, and loss of important innocent relationships, but thinking it's icky isn't enough to curb the freedom of adults.
Kathy, London,
OK--let's get real here. First, I think that this is a made-up article. Secondly, if the sister in question is so "healthy" and "liberating" in her decision, then why did it take her this long to find someone to replace her brother? Why is she hiding behind anonymity? OH also, YUK!!!
Dee, atlanta, USA
Those who say that the brother is a predator, only do so because that is the default reaction ingrained into people. People are so afraid of being labeled a freak that they will even ignore the truth to conform. The brother was only ONE YEAR older and the relationship was consensual!
Justin, TX, USA
If my children were involved I would worry for their well being, same as I would have done fifty years ago had my children been homosexual.
In certain communities the ideal arranged marriage is between the meternal uncle and niece.
Like in most issues morality and opinions are subjective.
Shreela, Delhi,
I'm sorry you commenters are ridiculous...a progressive article?...enlightening?...im sorry there's nothing enlightening hearing about an older brother abusing his younger sister, there's nothing heart warming about statutory rape and child abuse. No wonder names were changed, he'd be in court
John, london, england
It's lucky for the sister (and the brother) that she liked it - but he didn't know that when he got in the bed and started touching her. He learnt a very bad lesson - and I only hope he doesn't try it on with someone who hates it or a younger person who can't escape it.
Karen, Paisley, Scotland
Those who think this is ok should read it again. Her brother seduced her, he was older & more socially aware. He's a predator and she was fooled by emerging feeling & love for him. I didn't read good memories, I read jealousy & regret. Would she feel the same if it was her son & daughter?
Lee, Dallas, USA
That story seem so wrong. But yet it seems so right, to them. I mean they been having sex for years. It was just so normal to them.
But aren't we all incest though, Because in the beginning there was Adam and Eve. So don't u wonder how we came to be? Wouldn't we all be brothers and sisters anyways??
Tina, New Orleans, USA
Love is love... if you want love your sibling, go for it. Good and wrong is subjective. If this is real, it took great courage for her, and I applaud her for being open about and finding beauty in such a torrent, taboo affair.
Forget religion; love shouldn't have restrictions.
Dan, Colubmus, Ohio, United States
I love that story
jasmincormier, Montreal,
Forbidden love; it reminds me of Romeo and Juliet.
I havent heard of an incest story like this before. Its very sad. I'm very sorry its been so hard for you, and him too. It sounds far more emotional than physical. Its sad.
There should be more articles like this to raise awareness of sibling love.
Abby, Bognor Regis, England
Brilliant article, it truly opened my eyes and really turned me on
to a whole new way of thinking about family life! Thanks
Jay, Battersby,
An interesting article, and although I do not agree with what had happened, I wouldn't deny anybody else the right to what ever they pleased with their bodies....as is their right. Am I not correct? Why should they choose a religion? Please do not force others to your faith..probably wrong anyway
Craig, Plymouth, England
I think that this article is liberating being able at last to bring this subject into the open Incest is more common than people realise and although I dont encourage it I can see how easy it is for two close siblings to cross that line. After all they love and trust each other.
Kim, high Wycombe, England
I was very sickened by the article. But more so I was sickened by the comments. I think this world needs severe punishment by God if Christ second coming is not due for long yet then I am just feared for the immediate future of my children having to live in this sick world.
a Cristian, Chelmsford, UK
There is something *very* wrong with Daniel seducing his younger sister. I suspect that's not the last we hear of him fiddling with girls he shouldn't have. As for their "hours of discussion" that their relationship should end upon Daniel's marriage; what a pleasant pair
Laura Bennett, Cheltenham,
I agree. I think the article is total fantasy
Max Patel, croydon, surrey
Having worked with social services, I know of young people who have experimented in this manner and it never turns out to be so lovely a tale. Quite frankly, I think this story is fiction. Its an abhorrent sexual fantasy written to fuel and expose the author's own lusts.
William, New Orleans, USA
Disgusting.
Isabel, Dorset, UK
It all sounds so harmless, and we're so eager to condone what 'feels good'. But is it really so different from someone saying that sex with their father is fine because they didn't feel guilty and felt turned on. Even if they were 14 and he 40 at the time? Even if they were 16 and 'consented'...?
Laura, Winchester, UK
I have always been fond of my brother, I do find the idea of sex with him sickening. Evolution has wired humans with an innate aversion to incest - most people do find the idea of it disgusting. When it happens, some kind of dysfunction in the family has probably overridden the natural repugnace.
Lisa, Vernon, USA
Morals cannot be debated. Mores and norms define people and societies in a way that animals are not defined. Whether incest 'feels right' or not it is abnormal, and the right to do increasingly abnormal things is fought for today because more people now despise law, order and absolutes.
charles kachikoti, Ndola, zambia
I disagree with this merely as a matter of personal preference. Intellectually, I see nothing inherently wrong with the relationship described in this article.
J., Morgantown, USA
Their new relationships with other people don't appear "spoilt", at least not from what was written in the article; so I think it's a bit presumptious to say such. So Daniel's wife doesn't like his sister? well, it isn't exactly uncommon for in-laws to dislike each other!
Louise Chelton, London, UK
As a muslin I find all of this pretty revolting. No doubt Christians and Jews of faith will also be disgusted. This is what happens when society loses its anchors, it sinks in moral turoitude. are thre no boundries in today's hedonistic society. Why is the "everything goes attitude" permissable.
Arif Khan, London, United Kingdom
Actually I don't believe it. It doesn't ring true. I am sure people do sleep with their brothers but this reads like a lite clean version of commercial porn. Do I detect someone with a book to sell who is hoping for six figure advance?
AJ, London,
The people commenting are uptight and don't understand adolescence or incest...........Should you marry your first cousin? If reproduction is the quest incest with family members is not good at all...beyond that..two teens can work out a lot between themselves....teens can work out 'their problems'
Gabriel, Bangkok, Thailand
Just reading some comments..."it is eveyone's right to do what they wish"... " consenting adults so no harm done" "those who oppose incest are 'busy bodies' " "This woman is a victim too" "how refreshing to see a progressive attitude towards incest"
Are you guys for real? Seriously?
Dave, Jakarta,
I am surprised people dont talk much about UNINTENTIONAL incest between adults who dont know they are related. (Think of adopted children, children born from sperm donors, etc).
When such siblings or half-siblings meet they could easily feel a affinity that leads to marriage and children.
Pravina, New Delhi, India
I also had something similar and consensual in my early teens with my brother, but not because of affection. It started more as playing a game and went from there. I stopped it when I understood it getting sexual. I do regret it today and we never speak about it. But I'm reassured to read of others.
Beth, Raleigh, USA
Courageous to speak out !!! this one of the untold stories in our society, where religious and cultural taboos don't allow to express people about their real experiences. Others have no courage to speak. At present many people have not endorsed it, but it would be a normal story after 100 years....
Khan, Islamabad, Pakistan
Sorry incest gurus but the subject of this article makes clear she was not a consenting adult (age 14). In fact, if incest is condoned the vast majority of cases inevitably WILL NOT be between two consenting adults. By the way, only dimwits believe "there was no chance of pregnancy" in this case.
Cathy Hansen, ruckersville, virginia. USA
This is a disgusting and sickening article. Incest is never okay - period. Both you and your brother are going to suffer long-lasting, severe psychological problems that will bear their weight later on in life. I feel sorry for you.
Sarah Miller, London, UK
Funny how people write how they're 'sick', 'disgusted' and find it 'revolting'! Full of aversion, yet this is still about love. Some perspective please.
Also I've never shaken the belief that those who fight the hardest against something, do so because they cannot accept their own interest in it..
dan, London, UK
When you reach puberty you are adult. No consensual relationship -of any kind- between adults is objectively immoral. Only man-made ethics create subjective moral -and legal- rules. Different societies create different rules for different reasons. Civilised societies also protect the vulnerable.
Gerard Mulholland, paris, France
As I began to read this article, I admit I was somewhat disgusted of incest itself, but as I read went on I understood the relationship between you're brother and yourself. This has definitely shined a new light on this subject.
Monica, Port Washington , US
Sounds like a story from a porn mag. Very simular. I don't beleive in the real people behind this erotic fantasy.
Olga , Brisbane, Australia
Isn't Alison a victim here? Her husband has a secret that he won't share with her, but which will always be between them. His wife is uncomfortable around her sister-in-law. Can you blame her? Secrets can be an impediments to emotional intimacy. She'll always be second best to her sister-in-law
Annie, Washington, DC, USA
This woman, who spoke so openly with Joan
McFadden regarding her relationship, which
she defined as incest, is, to me, courageous to
reveal her emotions and caring.
I do not give people, as I know them, to be that
intelligent as to genuinely try to understand, but
willing to condemn! Alas!
Lloyd, Washington, USA
love your brother like a brother-AS sibblingS-that is natural and it feels very healthy within. you will feel good within if you love those within the norms. please no further articles-about incest. and please to the couple,,adopt a religion, that will show you a pathway for forgivess,for your acts
s, KENT, UK
you people are crazy. incest is not best. i can't even believe you think it is a sexual preference. next thing, you'll be saying that pedophilia is ok. and as i recall folks in the uk were mighty upset by the half-brother/sister pair that wanted to marry.
kate, new york city, usa
Like abortion, it is the business only of the adults involved. Too many commentators have their own hang ups and hide them
Men loving men, women loving women, it is their own business only while adults are involved.
Not the business of busy bodies with hang ups.
The major No, No, is kids.
Ken.H, Harrow, UK
Before this article I would have said that the situation was disgusting and vile, but this has opened my eyes. This is truly and incredible article.
Alice, Belfoutaine,
Leviticus 18:22 "Cursed is the man who sleeps with his sister, the daughter of his father or the daughter of his mother." Then all the people shall say, "Amen!"
Don't know where all the "understanding" people are getting their thoughts from, but I believe I will go with the Holy Bible on this.
Cheryl, Birmingham, U.S.
4 words - incest is a sin!
Shammin Laskar, Aylesbury, England
i come from a religous background, but i found this article heartwarming and sweet, i too had the regular bash with my sister when i was 13, but nothing serious, and though i am sure we both remember this well we have never really discussed it again. a pity i would say, but that is society. thanks!
john, toronto, canada
Is there a culture in the world that does not have a taboo against incest ?
Heather, Prince George, Canada
Some of the deepest bonds of love and trust do NOT involve sexual expression. Agreed; this constant redefining of true love as something that can only be expressed sexually is unhealthy and will lead to a lot of broken hearts. I fear the damage incest will have on family trust and relationship.
John, Washington, DC, USA
I find it amusing that so many posters are expressing such 'open minds' and condoning this act of immorality.
I can guarantee that each and every one of you would be disgusted and would not have such an 'open mind' if a similar act of incest was being carried out by two of their siblings.
Jonathan, London,
I'm surprised that so many of those commenting see no harm in this situation. Is there anyone reading this who would be happy to hear that their teenage son and daughter were enjoying a sexual relationship? Incest is not a good or progressive thing.
KS, Atlanta, USA
A very interesting article. Just another example of social convention and a blind belief in what is wrong or right socially.
It was consensual and they were of the same age. That is important! Just think a few years ago an article on homosexuality would have generated as much controversy...
Peter, London,
Interesting..I now think sibbling incest may be more common than society realizes. Ethically speaking, I do not see a problem provided an equal distribution of power (as in this case). Incest is widely evident in nature, so I think it is misguided to categorize incest as unnatural. Good article.
Noelle, Washington, DC,
Am I the only person who doubts the veracity of this story? it all reads too pat, with no problems, no real sense of any genuine human beings involved. I think it's probably a made up story...
James Somerfield, Cambridge, UK
Surely everyone condoning the actions of this 'couple' is forgetting that no contraception is 100% effective - bar abstinence! They could have still become pregnant!
I have a friend who has a severe disability that is hereditary - she is abstinent to prevent any children inheriting her disability.
Amy, Leeds,
I love how so many people are being supportive of the woman in question. So I have a question for them -
If you found out your brother was having sex with your other sister, or if you found out your mother or father was having sex with their sibling, would you be so supportive?
I would say not.
Antonia, London,
I was sexually abused by my father throughout my childhood, and I see no similarity between this and the story this lady is telling. It is abuse that should disgust us and cause moral outrage, not sex between two consenting teens or adults, whether they are related or not.
Cam, London, UK
Well, i am a Chinese guy. I have similar experience with you, girl, but my sister and i didn't come to a sexual relationship, which is almost a taboo in China.
As to your relations, yeah, just like what was said by someone above, it is your responsibility that kept your relations healthy.
Best!
Zhang Nan, Xi'an, China
Very Interesting. I agree that it was forbidden to keep family from cummulating power and wealth as the royals had no problem in marrying their family members. I do see the genetics point. Love is love. For the christians..Abraham married his half-sister and God didn't have a problem with it.
Ruth, Midwest, USA
People who preach bible need to answer this. In the beginning there was Adam,Eve and two sons. How did they multiply? Isn't it purely out of incest that you and I are now on this earth. Why don't the godmen talk of this?
Ben, World, Earth
I find the moral smugness of many of the posters here(viz. homosexuality, slippery slope etc.) rather sick. I don't agree with incest but this relationship was clearly right for them and as there was no risk of children, which they themselves recognise would be wrong,who exactly was hurt by this?
Cat, London,
It's great that somebody is so opened to say something like this. Take away the religious taboo on sex, which is why "it felt so right and it was so great" and nobody would see it as nasty.
It's the animal instinct of human being reacting to the oposite sex specially after going through so much.
Angel, Los Angeles, California
The most impressive part is the guy says if she says something then he can refuse to marry that girl, then they can live happily ever after. I admire this sincere emotion when it's against the morality. But who cares about morality as long as people care about each other and being happy.
Zhang Yu, Nanjing, China
There is also a risk for the offspring of couples with genetic defects, but no one forbids them. I see no victims. Do you really think society can fall apart from a relationship between consenting adults? Man has never been "natural"-- is using contraception or doing heart transplants natural?
Claudia, New Jersey, US
Absolutely amazing how much moral outrage there is against male-female consensual incest (and there should be), but absolutely none against man-man sodomy in the interest of "diversity" and "tolerance". Where's the "tolerance" for brother and sister getting it on?
Mark, Seattle, USA
From my own experiences, I know that often one can feel incredibly close to family members and that genuine affection and lust can easily become confused. I had some sexual relations but not full sex and i am now relieved i didnt although not without some regret.
Helen Wadlington, Sydney, Australia
I believe it has been postulated from mitochondrial DNA analysis that all Europeans are descended from just eight women, that means we're all guilty of incest, unless of course we're married to non-Europeans or non-European ourselves! Enjoy!!!
Nick, Potters Bar, UK
As I've heard mentioned before, the Westermarck effect usually prevents brothers & sisters from being attracted to each other. I have never had anything but brotherly love for my sisters. However, I don't see any reason I should judge others. They had a caring consensual relationship, good :)
Dave, Seattle, USA
In view of theJosef Fritzl/Jessie Gilbert tragedies & the millions of incest victims who's lives have been devastated (often leading to drug addiction, promiscuity, prostitution, suicide) to print an article condoning as healthy/harmless faimily members sexually preying on one another is a disgrace.
Cathy Hansen, Ruckersville, Virginia, USA
I can't believe this !!!!!!!
"Incest is not so bad" "It's not in the same class as child abuse"
People.....It is vile!!!!!! It is sick!!!!! It is against everything moral and decent. How can anyone defend or excuse it?
Dave, jakarta,
A lot of people are saying it's not natural. Let's keep in mind this is pretty much the OPPOSITE of everything we see in our pets, in the animals that give us food, even in plants!
Although I don't agree with it, or the risk of deformities in children, I see no harm in what this pair had going on.
Brian W., Toronto, Canada
the important point here is that they were both consenting adults.People are right to point out that they took responsibility and used contraceptives. Its not incest thats wrong, its what can happen if an inbred baby is made. Thus,the sickly royalty of old. Love who you want, but be responsible.
Valerie, Bloomington, USA
No matter how you try to paint it, it is still very very wrong.
Even animals have the evolutionary instinct to void it.
I am suprised at the moral decay of some of the posters, in semi aproval or omplete approval of this
Rabbani, Birmingham, England
Odd that the author claims to have a logical mind yet dismisses incest's import because it "feels good."
To Alexandera of Chicago: don't look at everything in feminist terms. Incest as described here has nothing to do with oppression of anyone.
It does have everything to do with inbreeding.
Vincent Savage, Florence, South Carolina
i advise her to inter a hospital
mahir, moscow, rassia
I'm about to puke all over..This is sickest thing i have ever read, till I read the comments where people actually endorse this heinos act. I hope of all the people who have endorsed this sick act dont have children of thier own, lest they are promoting for thier own children. god forbid.
Mohammed , Copenhagen, Denmark
Totally disgusting......both of these people need help to believe this was normal and ok!!! How could anybody say this seemed to be a healthy relationship?This is no different than a father/mother having sex with their child!! Do we think that is ok as well? Iam astonished anybody would tell this!!!
Shawna, Nashville, USA
I think this is an interesting article - but in this age of me gratification it would be also interesting to follow up with an article of why incest originally became taboo in our society ... there were obviously reasons it was stamped out. Let's balance the argument with the historical information.
Michelle, Sydney, Australia
When incest taboo began there were social reasons for it, BUT that doesn't mean that those reasons still exist. Historically, subordinating women has been considered crucial to social cohesion, but today our society can function with equal genders. Likewise, incest poses no social threat today.
Alexandra, Chicago, IL, US
Everyone sexually experiments in their life, usually first with themselves - so what if she and her brother did it? It was consensual and there was no harm in it. Good for her for sharing her story.
Samantha , O'ahu, Hawaii, USA
I'm kind of laughing at all the self-righteous reactions about how incest is wrong and yuck, etc. Well if the author and her brother's marriages don't last, they can still go live in France where incest is not forbidden (why would it if it is between consensual adults?).
Jon, Tokyo,
I am willing to bet that for every positive and loving incest story out there, that there would be hundreds of thousands where one or more of the involved parties are horribly emotionally damaged.
Aside from the obvious biological dangers, incest is not a good idea.
Mike, Arizona, USA
Revulsion of incest is not a silly moral taboo, it is not created, it is innate; let us not forget the product inbreeding. There are many many stupid taboos that have been created concerning sexual orientation, age of consent, and monogamy but incest is not one of those, please try to understand.
courtney , south salem , usa
What is NORMAL or ABNORMAL? There are never any clear lines. It's like how most people think there are only 2 genders, but they don't hear about the children who are born with ambiguous genitalia and chromosomes. There are bound to be more unreported cases like these. Homosexuality was once "gross."
dee, los angeles, usa
I must say that I was lost for words they crossed the line between affection and sex.I am amazed that the sister could find a healthy relationship later on there a real issues here for example if they had fell pregnant, discovered the brother would have been deemed the instigator he groomed her....
Mark Winn, Horsham, England
I admire the honesty but are these siblings sane if they cant express there love for each other without having sexual involvement?. No matter how you dress incest up its just not right!. I cant see how anyone can even begin to condone this.
Ashlea, Herts,
I cannot belive that any one would have anything positive to say about this article. It's incest people! Its not natural and its wrong? Whats next pedophilia stories followed by your glowing reviews about how brave the pedophile is ?
Jaime Navarro, San Antonio Texas, USA
Well basically, it's sick. I'm feeling rather nauseous just thinking about it (I've got 2 sisters). I don't care how you dress it up, it's just.... wrong.
James Lynch, London, UK
Good on them!! This story highlights the absurd and arbitrary moralizing taboos which our society likes to contsruct around sexual relations. Emotions between siblings are complex, people are complex. To deny our complexity, as Christians would have us do, is absurd. Live and let live.
Richard Burdon, Nottingham,
Not only is incest frowned upon because of the effects on any children but because of trust and family cohesion- if it's ok to have sex with one sibling why not another- we can imagine the destructive efect this would have within the family!! If they are not ashamed why not tell daniel's wife etc?
Diana, Swansea,
Sorry, but these siblings sound troubled if they can't love another person without involving their genitals. Some of the deepest bonds of love and trust do NOT involve sexual expression. I hope these people don't have children. Or even a devoted pet, for that matter!
Julia, Abilene, Texas, USA
I am sorry, but no matter how natural it may feel, this is just gross. Some societal norms exist with good reason. I think that this person and her brother need to seek counseling.
Tony, Philadelphia, PA, United States
The writer has nothing to feel guilty about, since they acted
responsibly with regard to contraception and not being caught.
The parents should have been more restrictive with their teenage children sleeping on each others beds, etc.
they left them open to temptation.
I admire the honesty
steve, toronto, canada
Are you people insane??? What this woman describes is absolutely disgusting. The mere idea of any kind of physical relationship with my brother make me cringe and want to throw up and scrub myself inside out. And even if it were as common as she thinks (which I doubt) it wouldn't make it right.
Rachel, London, UK
...for once, I am at a loss for words.
Gavin, London, England
Look back in history..... Lots of Royalty have been married to relatives. So is it ok for Royal incest but not commoner incest?
Just playing devils advocate....
I dont agree with incest either.
James Falcon, Miami, Arizona, USA
Personally i have no problem with this type of relationship, as previously stated if both parties are consenting then what is the harm. In years gone by certain members of society only married and entered into sexual relationships with people who were related to them.
Jemma, London,
Great article. Very honest. I wouldn't call it "progressive", but, it does show you a different side of this issue and knowing the other side is always a positive thing.
Liz, Dallas, TX,
Poor Alison...
Catherine, London,
I feel shocked, intrigued and fascinated by this article. I have a sister that I'm extremely close to but not in that way. This woman is very brave to be so open but her logic is so easy to follow that it's not hard to see where her courage comes from. Wel done The Times.
Seb, London
Seb, London, UK
i think, it depends from person to person. For some it could be a great idea to start it with your brother or sister on whome you can trust blindly. But for others, it could be a big no-no. Also, cultural values and tradition also plays an important role. And for me, its a big no-no.
vishesh sharma, new delhi, india
I can not believe that this woman was given any space in this paper to share her story like its part of some Harlequin romance novel. INCEST IS ABUSE and it doesn't matter if you are close in age or not. It is about respecting and understanding boundaries. This gives out a terribly WRONG message!
m, london, uk
Everyone needs to remember that incest is not a normal relationship (despite what many here have said) and children born from incest can have very serious genetic abnormailities. Has society reached a point where anything goes? A person should stop those thoughts LONG before they progress to sex!
Cindy, Canberra, Australia
When I saw the title ..I really got interested to read it because it's really unusual..after reading it, it broadens my mind when it comes to relationship. This was such a nice article! Keep it up.
Jennifer Veloso, Tabango, Philippines
What's so sad here is that the author doesn't see how sexually bonding with her brother has warped her own preparation for a husband. She admits that her expectations are very high, and the fact that her brother was willing not to marry Alison is a huge signal. This will continue to effect them.
Suzanne, Rochester, USA
To Amanda, London. If a young girl wants to experience sex then she should. Maybe not with her sibling, but still. There's nothing wrong w. women liking sex! Men like it and if you didn't make girls feel bad about it, they would enjoy it. Shame on Amanda for making women feel guilty and ashamed.
David Ihse, Lund, Sweden
It's very courageous to talk about this, and I found the article well written. Well done ! Not something easy to talk about but by reading the various reactions, it's clearly something people's deeply interested in.
Quentin, Singapore, Singapore
Its pefectly normal. If you're from Norfolk.
Alex, London,
Of course everyone is caught in their reactions and there is no real thought given to it. On a basic level, we can see that sexual attraction is often compartmentalized from other aspects of a relationship. When this is the case, it's no wonder that nothing else matters. (no more room!)
Eric, San Francisco,
I found this article rather 'Mills & Boon' in its writing style & therefore rather difficult to believe. However, that said, if it IS true then sorry, but incest is wrong whether consentual or not. To say they're hurting no-one is false, they're hurting themselves & future partners. Time will tell.
Kim, Penzance, United Kingdom
As many times as it is listed in the article, I believe that the purpose of it being written IS to alleviate guilt.
A guilty conscience signs off on a confessionary article.
Justin Guerin, Chatham, Canada
Urgh. It still sounds a lot like abuse to me. Young girls often want to experience sex, but men who take them up on this are exploiting their naivety for their own ends. If it's your own brother, it's a hell of a lot worse.
Amanda, London,
next they'll be running a progressive article about beastiality.
brian, Colorado, USA
What's progressive about accepting incest? What if they had had a child, with all the consequent hurt to family or elevated risk of congenital disorder to the child?
Some libertarians need to stop banging on about religionists and grow up..
John, London, UK
Weird, and i'm not sure i totally believe this either, i mean commiting incest with your brother! Im sure you were curious at that age, but in my opinion that just goes too far,as if the parents found out it would ruin that relationship, and also if it got to the wife. Unacceptable and Unbelievable
Dr. Jake McAvery, London, UK
I thought I'd seen and heard it all and nothing could possibly shock me anymore. However, I think that am I am going to be sick.
Well done.
Davey Cooper, Grenoble.,
What has led her to tell the truth, esp when her brother will be recognized by the story, given the number of clues? She obviously misses him. This alone is enough to doom their subsequent married lives.
And if incest were to be allowed, for one happy girl, there would be 10000 unhappy ones...
john, southend, england
Whilst I don't advocate incest I don't see who they were harming (obviously when they were single) both were consenting, used precuations and stopped when they got into committed relationships. As long as they didn't run the risk of procreation there's no harm done.
Well done for publishing this
Jennifer, Chorley, Lancashire
Everyone just assumes that the reason that incest is considered to be "bad' is because of the dangers of "in-breeding".. One of the largest factors that has socialised us to believe it is bad is that Roman Catholic church forbid marrying family to prevent the consolidation of power and property!
John F, Durban, South Africa
excellent, very interesting article.
i suppose its conceivable that at that age this sort of thing could occur, i just find it strange that this sort of sexual tension wasnt focussed on other, non-family targets.
Very good read though,.
Siraj Wahid, birmingham,
"Crude animal behavior over Godliness". And yet "God" created all animals. Without having eaten from the Tree of Knowledge these animals commit activities that the Religious Right finds obscene among humans. If "God" created these animals, everything they do is also a creation of "God".
Dan, Miami, United States of America
All the arguments that suggest this is correct could also be used to justify having sex with a parent, grandparent, offspring etc, as long as it is consensual between adults... how crazy the world would be!!!
..off on a date tonight with my Gran....
Sarah & Steve, Warrington, England
Christ on a bike. I'm all for progressive attitudes to sex, etc. But this is just plain and simple not right. Simply put the genetic coding of siblings is too close to run the risk of procreation. Besides the fact that its pretty warped anyway. I love my sisters, but this????
Each to their own.
Sean, Dublin, Ireland
A very surprising and interesting article. More interesting is the reaction of the religionists, from Ali in Iran to Kacey in Nashville, they are convinced that their beliefs in invisible friends gives them the right to categorically state what is right and what is wrong. I say it's wrong to judge.
Jacques Francis, Westcott, UK
A drawback is that there will always be a dark secret in any subsequent marriage. Daniel and his sister have spoilt each other for any future spouse.
Arneson Stidgeley, London,
I have problems believing a word of this article. Even if true, the problem with incest (the hint that the relationship