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We moved to the Springwood Estate, in Allerton, Liverpool, in 1949, when I was two and a half. Initially, it was just my mother (also named Julia), my father, John Albert, known as Bobby, and myself. Jackie, my sister, came along that October.
And, of course, there was John. He was six years older than me, and he didn’t live with us, because Mimi, my mother’s eldest sister, had misappropriated him. She disapproved of a wartime affair my mother had had while married to John’s father, a merchant seaman who was away for years at a time. When my mother fell pregnant as a result, Mimi and Pop, my maternal grandfather, insisted that she give up the child. Later, my mother met my father, and that was the last straw, because they lived together without getting married. So, John went to live with Mimi at her house, Mendips, in May 1946 – she took him to live a morally upright life, to get him away from the sins of his mother.
Our new house was in a big square that you couldn’t see the end of. It was an old council house: two storeys, double-fronted, with a garden at the front, side and back. Everybody had allotments, and we had an air-raid shelter. Downstairs were a larder, a pantry, a large kitchen and two living rooms; upstairs were three bedrooms, a bathroom and a loo.
I had a double room and Jackie had a single. When John stayed, he had Jackie’s room and she came in with me. I spent a lot of time sharing that bed. It was a busy house. The door was never shut, ever. People in and out – everyone but Mimi.
Between August 1949 and April 1950, however, I don’t think John came. In all those months he was only able to see Mummy if Mimi let her in, which was rarely, or if they were all at Nanny’s house, one of my other aunts. While my parents were still living at Penny Lane, Pop’s house, John stayed there at weekends and had a room there. But when Pop died, there was nobody to curb Mimi’s excesses. She actually told John: “Your mother has gone away with that man [my father] and I don’t know where she is.” So, John didn’t know she’d just moved house. Mimi told my mother: “Don’t come here, you upset John. He’s got to settle into his new life.” She turned her away repeatedly.
But Stan, my oldest cousin, who was 16, decided this was all wrong, and brought John, then nine, to Springwood for the first time. We all knew not to tell Mimi. John was a loon for Jackie and me. We thought he was the bee’s knees. Sometimes we’d come home from school and John would be there, in his uniform, talking to my mother, drawing, scribbling, sitting in the garden. Once he started to come, he was there a lot.
As John entered his teens and spent more time with us – by the time he was 14, Mimi had lost control – my mother started to teach him music, and he loved it. She played the piano, the uku-lele, the accordion and the banjo, and was a perfectionist. I can see John so clearly, concentrating intently. Mummy used to stand behind him, and either she’d have her hands on the frets of her banjo, and John would be strumming, or she’d do the strumming and picking, and he’d have his hands on the frets. Then she’d come round in front and make him do the whole thing.
John was bossy. He would take my schoolwork from me and hold it above my head, or stand on a chair, shout out what I’d done and tell me if I had made a spelling mistake. He thought that was hilarious. Mummy used to just leave him to it, so we had to attack him to get the work back. He was bigger and stronger, so he could bat us about, but he could also play with us. As we got older, he would baby-sit.
The night my mother died, John had come round to stay. My mother had gone to Mimi’s. Just after she left there, she was killed by a car, driven by a policeman. It was a summer’s evening in 1958. John was downstairs with my father when the police arrived. But we were asleep in bed, and weren’t told what happened.
My father refused to spend one more night at Springwood. He moved immediately, and we were sent to Scotland. We didn’t find out she had died until about 10 weeks later. We didn’t know we were leaving Springwood for good. We were so happy there. I was living happiness and I didn’t know it wasn’t going to get any better than that.
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it was a pleasure to see your picture and read about your childhood with your famous brother , your mom and all those people that the rest of the world just read about...
all the best
Michael Khouri, Barrington RI
michael khouri, barrington ri , usa
Thank you for this article, it is awesome. I will be looking for the book. It was odd for me to read this article and to find out the book was named "Imagine This" I too am writing a book on John at the moment (on a metaphysical level) and it had once crossed my mind to call my book Imagine That! I didn't end up choosing that name, just thought it was uncanny. Also the front cover of my book is my hand drawn sketch of the picture that Julia is standing in front of? It almost gives me chills! lol
Julia's book will definitely be a big success that is for sure, and it is wonderful that we are hearing from John's family.
Peace & Love
Vanessa Hurst
www.sevencrows.ca
Vanessa Hurst, Port Colborne, Ontario
you are right, stuart. I am 60.
but the rest of the article is correct..a good outline of my book
julia
julia baird, chester, cheshire, uk
Thanks for the insight. I never tire learning all the bits about Lennon and his life.
Bill Downey, San Diego, California
No disrespect intended to Julia, but I'm struggling with the maths of her age.
Stuart , Kendal, England